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	<title>Comments on: Exposing our soft underbellies</title>
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		<title>By: Helen Abbott</title>
		<link>http://www.klocwork.com/blog/2009/08/exposing-our-soft-underbellies/comment-page-1/#comment-564</link>
		<dc:creator>Helen Abbott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 20:33:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Geoff, thanks for the feedback. You&#039;ve echoed what we&#039;ve been hearing lately, but I will definitely take you up on your offer of more detail. We want to bounce our plans off customers as we tackle revamping the help to include more &quot;why&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geoff, thanks for the feedback. You&#8217;ve echoed what we&#8217;ve been hearing lately, but I will definitely take you up on your offer of more detail. We want to bounce our plans off customers as we tackle revamping the help to include more &#8220;why&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Helen Abbott</title>
		<link>http://www.klocwork.com/blog/2009/08/exposing-our-soft-underbellies/comment-page-1/#comment-563</link>
		<dc:creator>Helen Abbott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 20:29:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Sarah! You&#039;ve captured the issue well. I&#039;d already seen your &quot;tips of the trade&quot;; it&#039;s a great idea. I&#039;ll keep an eye on it and think of how we can apply something similar here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Sarah! You&#8217;ve captured the issue well. I&#8217;d already seen your &#8220;tips of the trade&#8221;; it&#8217;s a great idea. I&#8217;ll keep an eye on it and think of how we can apply something similar here.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah Maddox</title>
		<link>http://www.klocwork.com/blog/2009/08/exposing-our-soft-underbellies/comment-page-1/#comment-558</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah Maddox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 23:19:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Awesome! I hope you get a lot of positive feedback from readers and tech writers. I really like Geoff&#039;s comment above, and it&#039;s also similar to a lot of the feedback we get on our own documentation. 

The question is tricky -- just how much specific use-case and scenario-based information can we put into the docs? On the one hand, it&#039;s what readers find most useful when they can identify with the scenario we choose. On the other hand, we can&#039;t include all scenarios. Also, maintenance can become a bit of a nightmare, if the product changes significantly with each new release.

One idea we&#039;re trying out at the moment is to link from the docs to external blog posts, written by our customers and community developers, that describe specific use cases. We&#039;ve just started doing this, by adding pages we call &quot;Tips of the Trade&quot;. Here&#039;s an &lt;a href=&quot;http://confluence.atlassian.com/display/JIRA/Tips+of+the+Trade&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;example&lt;/a&gt;.

Thank you for mentioning me and linking to my blog, and good luck with this experiment!
Sarah</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awesome! I hope you get a lot of positive feedback from readers and tech writers. I really like Geoff&#8217;s comment above, and it&#8217;s also similar to a lot of the feedback we get on our own documentation. </p>
<p>The question is tricky &#8212; just how much specific use-case and scenario-based information can we put into the docs? On the one hand, it&#8217;s what readers find most useful when they can identify with the scenario we choose. On the other hand, we can&#8217;t include all scenarios. Also, maintenance can become a bit of a nightmare, if the product changes significantly with each new release.</p>
<p>One idea we&#8217;re trying out at the moment is to link from the docs to external blog posts, written by our customers and community developers, that describe specific use cases. We&#8217;ve just started doing this, by adding pages we call &#8220;Tips of the Trade&#8221;. Here&#8217;s an <a href="http://confluence.atlassian.com/display/JIRA/Tips+of+the+Trade" rel="nofollow">example</a>.</p>
<p>Thank you for mentioning me and linking to my blog, and good luck with this experiment!<br />
Sarah</p>
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		<title>By: Geoff Babb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geoff Babb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 20:02:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Helen,

A couple of issues come to mind...

- My overall characterization of KW documentation is the old cliche about trying to learn a language by reading a dictionary.  The documentation is long on &quot;what&quot; but short on &quot;why&quot;.  It&#039;s a great reference manual if you already know what you want to do, not so much if you&#039;re looking for creative ways to apply the technology.

- Related to the above is the need for deep detail use case documentation, particularly around customization of rules, mining of metrics, etc.  Stringing together a full tutorial on setting up a metrics framework, or applying the data that is provided, or filtering unwanted defects, or adding and managing a set of custom checkers (along with why I&#039;d want them in the first place) would be a welcome addition.  I think there might be a corresponding impact on overall product quality as it would walk someone in the company through the process of using the tool &quot;in the large&quot;, rather than testing it &quot;in the small&quot;.

I&#039;d be willing to develop and elaborate on these ideas if you want to contact me.

Geoff</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Helen,</p>
<p>A couple of issues come to mind&#8230;</p>
<p>- My overall characterization of KW documentation is the old cliche about trying to learn a language by reading a dictionary.  The documentation is long on &#8220;what&#8221; but short on &#8220;why&#8221;.  It&#8217;s a great reference manual if you already know what you want to do, not so much if you&#8217;re looking for creative ways to apply the technology.</p>
<p>- Related to the above is the need for deep detail use case documentation, particularly around customization of rules, mining of metrics, etc.  Stringing together a full tutorial on setting up a metrics framework, or applying the data that is provided, or filtering unwanted defects, or adding and managing a set of custom checkers (along with why I&#8217;d want them in the first place) would be a welcome addition.  I think there might be a corresponding impact on overall product quality as it would walk someone in the company through the process of using the tool &#8220;in the large&#8221;, rather than testing it &#8220;in the small&#8221;.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d be willing to develop and elaborate on these ideas if you want to contact me.</p>
<p>Geoff</p>
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